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Tyler

The first one is the #1 reason why I'm not going to college. I have talked to MANY people about college. Some of which have graduated,some that are going,some that never went, and so on. Going by the information I have collected, I don't think I will be going. For one, I don't think it's for me,and I can't even decide on anything to go for. Second, I would utterly hate to get a student loan in something that I later regret,and then also, there's no guarantee for a job. I have talked to so many that have said they have degrees in so and so,and can't get a job. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay all this money and put all this time into a degree only to end up working at McDonalds for who knows how long. I would much rather invest that time, money, and energy into something else.

Bin Zhao Liang

You are right about these 10 reasons. I am a junior and I am planning not to go to college, even my parents are bragging me to go. I am planning to start the first anime-based karaoke with the help of TV Asahi and Shin-ei Animation. I am also planning to give up my US citizenship and get a Japanese citizenship and live in Kasukabe, Saitama.

I want to be like my 22-year-old friend from China who did not have a good test score. I am planning of not taking the PAST, the SAT, and going to interneships. I consider them a waste of time.

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Lucy

Thanks for the great resources, John! I've got a lot of help doing my writing homework.(Persuasive Essay)

John Lawrence

Regarding #2, neither Bill Gates nor Steve Jobs were college graduates, but they added more to the "knowledge store" than all the college graduates of their era combined!

raman

1.one should consider that an average college graduate earn more than school grad.
2.most of the presnt knowldge store was built and added by college the educated persons.
3.being a enterprising is a trait! it is welcome with everyone! but the sad fact is that the education, and higher education diminishes it!

john

It's not a scam, I learn everyday, and I use my knowlege everyday and it's very interesting i.e. chemistry. If all you 18 year olds are happy working full time at Mconald's then thats cool. We need someone to flip the burgers. And if you go to college in your home state its not even close to 100K...and you talk about us being misinformed. College makes us well rounded individuals who can actually contribute to society in helpful ways. And with a degree you make like twice as much a year as the cost of college is so unless the life expectancy has gone down to about 30..im sure those loans will be polished off. And its not impacting our lifes or making us start late i am a full time student and i work 2 jobs..so many of us educated people are in college that it dosent even matter I would never marry anyone without a good education.

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Personal market will use you or toss you as they see fit. As you get old, your ability set will reduce family member to newer just out of college kinds and your income will have increased.

Christine

Why are you all saying that people should just teach themselves? Do you have any idea how hard that would be for the majority of the populace? Not everybody can do that and even do it successfully. And to a prospective employer it's fairly hard to prove you have those skills. They would rather take the guy with the degree, because he's already been proven to be proficient. Nobody is telling you that you have to have a 4yr degree, depending on the feild you want to join, you could go to a 2yr college. There are also people I know who take one or two classes in the subjects they need and use that as a qualification. My point is, is that it's better to be informed properly, than to be ignorant.

Amelia

People, we are no longer a manufacturing/trade country. It's the age of information.

Robert88

I totally agree with the author, but guess what colleges are charging over $100K to graduate students with these degrees. They should be embarrased to be offering such usless degrees. Colleges should think long term like--will this student make enough money to contribute to our endowment.

In any event I received a better education for only $49.95 from http://www.moneyitb.com. It’s one of the best business models around and teaches people how to start making a six figure income with proven business models and concepts that are designed by successful business entrepreneurs.

This is a excellent course/program that will get you making over $100K in less than 60 days. It saved my home and it has changed my financial future. I'll bet that I make more now per year than any student with a business or liberal arts degree.

SS

Thank you - spoken like a true ACCOUNTANT! And finally - someone SAID IT. More true NOW, than EVER!!!!

I turned down a scholarship to DUKE in 1985 for Business/Accounting, which was $15K/yr; my parents had the $. I immediately started work, bartending @ $24K, because i was unsure of what i wanted to do. I took college accounting courses, and worked for a large CPA Firm @ 19K/yr, learning on-site.

When my parents died in 1993, I took my "college" fund & invested in ME. MY business - SALES (while running #s all day). By then, I knew what I wanted to do, as well as having the experience.

It's WHO YOU KNOW.
It's WHAT EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE.

And COLLEGE, is a RACKET!

WHY WASTE 4+yrs DOWNTIME, WHEN YOU COULD BE UP?

DO THE MATH.

Not to mention, the $$$$$$ I made in REAL ESTATE & STOCKS, from my NON-COLLEGE "fund".

My 10-yr old gets this. Those my age (40-50), do not. We were brain-washed, for a Time that is no longer relevent.

THERE IS NO MORE JOB-SECURITY.

And my son, is graced into DUKE @ N/C as Alumni....he's smart enough, to NOT waste his downtime.

Thank you, again -

Jimbo

1) “A college diploma does not guarantee you a job.” No, but not only does it make you far more competitive to get a job, but it opens up countless job possibilities closed to people without one. Also, people love to bring up Bill Gates. I, too, could be like Bill Gates, a Harvard drop-out with millionaire parents, except that I do not have the capital from my trust fund to start a one-in-a-generation business like he did. Bill Gates is the extremity of extremities – there are millions of business owners whose businesses fail and they go bankrupt. A rather small percentage stay afloat, and fewer still become “successful”.

2) “Student Loan Debt.” Not everyone who goes to college racks up a student loan debt. I did not, because I went to a school I could afford. It is like buying a house. If you cannot afford to live in Beverly Hills, do not buy a house in Beverly Hills. Buy a house elsewhere. If you cannot afford the exorbitant student fees at Harvard, go to a state college and pay 1/10th the costs.

3) “Self-education is better than forced feeding.” Abraham Lincoln did it, sure. Can you name anyone else (I can, but that’s beside the point). And did that person learn the law and take the Bar in a state other than Louisiana, where they have Napoleonic law? I agree, teaching yourself is better. But, who is so organized that they can teach themselves? As a doctoral student, I can say that we doctoral students have learned how. Who else can pull something like that off?

4) “Money Invested in a College Education Would Be Better Invested in Real Estate.” If you are looking at college as monetary returns on investment, I will give you that. You could have a nice return after 30 years, after having worked a construction job and wearing out your rotator cuff or a dead end maintenance job with a bad back. I’d rather do a more comfortable job and buy property a little later.

5) “Money Spent on College Education Would Be Better Invested in Starting Your Own Business.” I disagree. You need capital to start a business, and without inheritance or money from working, you’re not going to have that if your business starts to struggle, particularly in a bad economy. I wonder how many people read this in 2006, followed your advice, and went bankrupt when the market crashed in 2008.

6) “Don't think a college diploma eliminates risk.” No one said it did, but not having a college diploma greatly increases your risk of being downsized in service industry jobs.

7) “Start Life Early. Don't Delay it by Going to College.” The younger you have children, the less likely you are to be financially successful. If you want to talk finances, “starting life early” is among the worst financial decisions you could make.

8) "A 4 year college degree is worth practically nothing these days.” A four-year college degree appears worthless today, because most entry-level positions do not require college diplomas. As you move to mid-career positions, you will thank your lucky stars you bothered to spend four years of your life getting that degree.

9) “College trains you to be a docile and compliant employee.” And not going to college will change that? Being a dick to your boss will not get you anywhere. You’d be smart to be docile and compliant rather than mouth off. I do not think you have to be college educated to find a new job if your current one is so bad that you would have to be jerk.

10) “Learning resources are available for free in libraries and on the internet.” This is true. But if you are complaining about not finding value in getting a documented degree, you will find no value in taking advantage of online resources that generate no record of you having obtained the knowledge from them. Besides, what are you doing gaining knowledge online when you have that guaranteed successful business you think you can run? Doesn’t this point go against other things that you had stated earlier (particularly #7)?

Terry Nickell

College is a farce, a waste, and a joke. Go to the library and learn. Or better yet, train with someone hands on.

College in america, is nothing more than a scam and a rip off for the sheeple. turning them into corporate hamster wheelers IF they can get a job in this depression.

kiaria harris

College is a must in order to recieve a decent job.Point Blank!

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I think having a degree will help you out in the long run for your job. Giving you more knowledge and how to interpret the knowledge you achieved in a business world.

alexandria

This is a great article. I have just recently graduated from high school and leery of attending college in the fall. Debt being a large contributor to my worries ( i'm already in debt) and still stuck in a hole. A 4 year degree is pointless. With the economy I'm better off working at my current job for the next 4 years and making money and saving it. Rather than spending money on an education that I can't afford let alone expand upon. The whole point of attending college is to get a degree worth XXX amount of money but, Is the XXX amount of debt for the next 12 years worth it? I think not.

ryao

Thanks for the heads up. Im going to go to Amazon right now and check out "You Have A College Degree, Now What?" Looks like a very informative read.

latisha

Normally don’t do this type of thing, but I just read this book and it was fantastic. Its called “You Have A College Degree, Now What?” and I now feel as if I’m in the right frame of mind for success to take place. I’m graduating from college in May and thanks to this book I now feel prepared. Here’s where I found it at. http://www.amazon.com/You-Have-College-Degree-What/dp/0578044048/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270658049&sr=1-1

Wednesday

I was always brought up to believe going to a university was the only way, anything less and you were lesser or something like that.

But after my first year of university, I didn't learn anything new, nor were the classes at the level I am at. It was just rehashed stuff from high school. Stuff from way back in freshman year. We spent a whole class going over outlines.

A single class equals about two weeks of "normal" school.

I spent two weeks on outlines.

Outrageous.

So, I'm transferring to an art school to get an associates degree, mainly so I can learn the fundamentals of things like model making and power tools safety to further my art.

I already have several (Three, lawl) businesses in the works, I make way more money on them than I ever would with a degree. I took off to go to school, the amount of money I lost in a year is outrageous.

When I was young, universities were large musty buildings full of sophisticated and the eager for learning.

Now its just a glorified high school.

Jim

College is a complete scam in today's age. Young people are better off going to a technical school and picking up a trade. I left college with debt up to my eyeballs and no shot at a job. Look at all the other poor suckers over at http://www.thegreatcollegehoax.com who got screwed to.

Amanda

Thanks for the info. Makes me feel alot smarter and more confident about my decision to not go to college unlike everyone that's forcing me to.

ROY Jr.

pretty on-point. Especially what you said about black youth in poor communities who are sold these dreams of higher ed. Once they get that degree they still have to figure things out for themselves. College made me lose my drive in life, luckily I got it back once I surrounded myself by those artistic/creative types like myself.

George

Omg thank you so much, I'm 17 years old and everyone is telling me that college is a nessecity and I would be a fool to pass it up but I don't want to waste $100,000+ in something I doubt I will ever use. I love real estate and Ive been working with my father since I was a kid flipping houses and investing, building and selling. I already kniw so many tricks of the trade tht the average marketing or business management grad would learn on the job eventually, i already have great contacts through my father, people like investors real estate agents and sub contractors that ive known since i was a kid. I speak 5 languages and i already am the marketing executive for tje company, so tell me why would i waste $100,000 that i dont have and waste four years crammin shit i dont need?

Brandon

This post is fantastic. I was constantly being ridiculed and questioned by friends and family for not going to college. I was getting sick of explaining my views to them.

It's nice to see other people share my thoughts.

Thank you.

Elderly Man

So why not look your risk squarely in the face and become an entrepreneur, start your own business whether it's as a gardener, painter, handyman, carpenter, architect, civil engineer, lawyer or whatever. Just because you're a gardener doesn't mean that you're not the owner of a business that has value. Your customer list is a valuable asset that can be sold some day if you wish to retire or do something else.

EJ

If you want to work in a somewhat atypical/non-streamline career you would probably do yourself a service by not going to college. If you look at a learning pyramid you'll find that lectures result in retention rates of less than 10% while more active methods discussing, actually doing, self-teaching, teaching others, etc. result in 50-90% retention rates. Although this is true the most used method of teaching in our formal school system...LECTURES!!! I challenege anyone with a college degree how much time they put in to school and how much they remember today. Do you remember tangents and secants from trigonometry? Do you remember the periodic table from chemistry? Do you remember half the books you've read? Do you remember who were the allies and who were the Central Powers from WWI and WWII. On top of these questions how much of what you remember do you actually use in your job?

Tom

"Most, if not all, engineers do nothing more than push paper - especially if they work in the military-industrial complex. Of course, a lot of people are perfectly happy doing this!"
What is "pushing paper"?

Bob

Lydia Wrote:

“I think these are all great points, but impractical at best for the majority of people.”

“- The majority of kids going into college aren't sure what they want to do with their lives, and for them a large part of the college experience is learning who they are and what their passions are.”

Bob Writes:

How many classes do they have to pay for before they discover what their passions are? Going to college is quite an investment for people who don’t know what they want to do with their lives. I don’t think kids should be spending 1,000’s upon 1,000’s of dollars that they may never pay off in their life times to MAYBE find them selves. If one goes to college these days they should know Exactly what they want to do before going as it’s nothing like it was in the 60’s when it was far cheaper and more affordable.

Lydia Wrote:

“- The majority of people are not self-motivated independent risk takers. It takes a certain attitude and personality to work for yourself and start your own business. Not to mention, the world wouldn't function if everyone worked for themselves. A group of people or a company can achieve much greater results than an individual generally.”

Bob Writes:

If people are not Self-Motivated then college is not for them and if those people are not Risk Takers then college is Definitely not for them. It is Guaranteed today that most college grads are going to struggle making their student loan payments or not make them at all. Student loans are much bigger risks than Mortgages and today college costs about as much as buying a home. At least you can sell a home.

Lydia Wrote:

“- The college experience is about much more than accumulating knowledge. For most people it is also about expanding your social network, learning to work with other people, being exposed to new ideas, and having an opportunity to focus on learning instead of the daily grind.”

Bob Writes:

Expanding your Social Network, Learning to Work with other People, being Exposed to New Ideas; You’ve just described a JOB and many jobs you can get without a degree. Many employers prefer that you not have a degree these days. And having an opportunity to focus on learning instead of the daily grind, those things can be done at your local library for free or the book store for much cheaper than any college.

Lydia Wrote:

“People don't expect or want to work for the same company for a long period of time. People feel that they deserve to be doing something they are passionate about. People will change careers many times and hopefully have a variety of skills to better support themselves as industries and technology change.”

Bob Writes:

When you jump from job to job and company to company does your last pay check jump with you? If so then good for you but many people do not get to experience that luxury. This is a new trend with companies as they don’t have to pay good steady employees good wages any more and barely give out raises, people don’t get to work for a company long enough to experience a raise. Companies don’t even have to commit to a retirement plan for employees any more. This issue has nothing to do with baby boomers this has to do with young people around 24 yrs of age not understanding that by the time they are 34 or so like me (I'm in the OR SO range) they will be making the same as they were or close to it when they began their first job hunt out of college. That is if there are any jobs in their futures. This is not a trend you should be getting excited about. And how bout those people that go to college for 4 years or more to get a degree in a technological field and get out to find a job in what they learned only to find out that what they learned is already obsolete by the time they get their first interview. Don't even bring up Placement Programs. Been there, Done that. A Big Fat Joke.

Also people who like to do what they are passionate about generally don't like to change. They usually want to do that one thing for the rest of their lives.

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You have a great point in your 10 reasons on why certain student must not go into college. But me myself still believe in the power of education. Education is the key for success and.

someone

I would like to become a window cleaner too. I like manual jobs. How do I go about it?

John

Someone:

I have been a window cleaner for 32 years. I love my work, and I'm self-employed so I have no one to answer to but myself. There's no other way to live as far as I'm concerned.

John

Someone

After all those years of wasting life working as a corporate cog (paper-pusher), what is your job now? Retired?

I'm sorry you had to go through "the path"--go to school, get a "useful" degree so that you can become a corporate cog working for bosses who have different goals in life than you do...

and thank you that you are telling others why you shouldn't waste life in college.

Lydia

I think these are all great points, but impractical at best for the majority of people.

- The majority of kids going into college aren't sure what they want to do with their lives, and for them a large part of the college experience is learning who they are and what their passions are.

- The majority of people are not self-motivated independent risk takers. It takes a certain attitude and personality to work for yourself and start your own business. Not to mention, the world wouldn't function if everyone worked for themselves. A group of people or a company can achieve much greater results than an individual generally.

- The college experience is about much more than accumulating knowledge. For most people it is also about expanding your social network, learning to work with other people, being exposed to new ideas, and having an opportunity to focus on learning instead of the daily grind.

One of the main themes of your article is fear of losing your job and not being able to keep up with the competition after investing decades with the same company. While this may be true for baby boomers, what I see in my generation (I'm 24) is very different. People don't expect or want to work for the same company for a long period of time. People feel that they deserve to be doing something they are passionate about. People will change careers many times and hopefully have a variety of skills to better support themselves as industries and technology change. This is a good article about what future generations are facing: http://commongroundmag.com/2007/07/millennials0707.html

Personally, I am a self-taught web designer who decided to go to college to study subjects I was interested in learning more about. While I was in school I worked 3 days a week at an ad agency which is where my real career education came in. Since I went to a local state school and got in and out in 4 years my debt is really quite low. I count myself lucky though, because I knew what I wanted and how to get it. Most 18 year olds have no clue, and that's why college is important.

Sphere56

This is great! I have seen a few other posts on the web regarding this issue. I too felt it was great seeing what I have been saying to my family, friends, and college brainwashed individuals for years. It is very hard to tell someone with a degree that it is not worth more than a ticket to compete, or a filter to separate you from the other person with a degree. All this puts you in a position where you have no controll and can only pray you will get the job.

However on the upside I have in fact been so sucessful that the administrators are either surprised that I don't have a degree or are curious why I do not have my own buisiness. Some of these, presidents from large state schools are some of them.

The most profound comment I have read was "Until now, I still had yet to find a single person that shares my opinion right off the bat. Finding this... I can't even explain the loneliness that's been lifted off me. I thought that everyone in the world was against me. Thank you so incredibly much for showing me that I'm not alone here, that others have seen through the lies of the modern schooling system... As well as that I'm not the only one who thinks the word "education" should be redefined. I'm so used to explaining all of my views to people." from Kaitlyn.

Currently I am in college, this was a decision that was somewhat spontanious due to being declined by three job offers in which I was clearly the right choice if I had a degree. So inspite of this, I chose to go back and find myself in the same situation I have been in before regarding college.

It is personally frusterating to be so sucessful with what I am passionate about and not in college. It is a really big let down to know that I have put a large investent of time and money into college. However I have no student debt. Interestingly, I did not go to college to get a degree, rather to use the university for my benefit by using them as a tool for my reputation. By estabilishing yourself with a university you just may get the respect that you may not otherwise obtain by other methods. This could have been done 100% free if I would have known what I know now.

I especially LOVE the section you wrote involving the financial investment being used to start a buisiness with a trade you love to do. This is becuase that is EXACTLY what I am doing.


You have done a great service writing this article. By the way, it would be great to spread this to the people who need to hear it. There is strangely not much at all regarding this topic.

Thank you,
Jonathan

robellie

You have a very detailed with solid reasoning. I like it. I just wrote a piece on this from a different angle at: http://macnwin.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/to-college-or-not-to-college/

John Lawrence

Thank you, Kaitlyn, for this nice comment. I'm glad you found that this blog entry reinforces your own feelings on the subject. Good luck to you!

Kaitlyn

I couldn't agree more with this post! These are things that I've been saying for a while now (I'm 19 and have never been to college, by the way.) I think I finally made the decision a little more than a year ago, when I finally stopped stressing and depressing myself over not knowing what I would do for college. I started disliking the current school system while in third grade, and ever since then I've only been counting the reasons to abandon it entirely. Throughout my four years of high school I only learned three things from teachers- Spanish, French, and that teachers love to misinform students. I learned so much ever since elementary school though- because I've always been a bookworm and I'm constantly finding myself distracted by a new, good read (such as this blog where I find myself tonight, at nearly 5am.) I brought my own books to school to read, because either the teacher was too daft to notice, the class too easy to pass, or I simply felt like reading my own thing. It's actually quite amazing at the amount of things I learned in school- by teaching myself.

A couple years ago I stumbled upon something called "Unschooling." What it basically is is a sort of homeschooling where everything is led by the student. The student learns what they want to learn, at their own pace and when they feel like it. I couldn't believe how much the description was reading my mind. Finally! Someone else out there understands! But it was too late for me. With only a couple years left of high school, it was best to just get it over with. I spent my entire senior year only doing enough work to pass. I knew already that college didn't sound like something for me- drinking, partying, studying, exams... paying thousands of dollars that I could have been earning at a job instead. But the problem was, there was nobody out there who agreed with me. Not a single soul. Even my boyfriend, the one who understands every motive of mine, didn't know why I chose this way (he does now, though. And he agrees.) Every one and every place I encountered seemed to praise college kids and grads, while looking down on those who chose the working path. I knew I was all alone in the decision, but hell, it's MY life. I got a good job with no experience required, a very lovely starting wage, benefits, and opportunities to advance. I didn't go to college the next Autumn, instead merrily continuing on with my job.

Since not much time has passed, I've still got that job, I still don't go to school, I study what I want- when I want... and I couldn't be happier about this decision. Since leaving school I've learned all about optometry, as well as two Japanese writing systems and much about its grammar. There's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that I could have learned so much in this short period of time, had I been stuck in a classroom. I've also expanded my social circle both through work and online, in ways that I've never connected before.

But you know what tops off the cake?

Finding this blog.

Until now, I still had yet to find a single person that shares my opinion right off the bat. Finding this... I can't even explain the loneliness that's been lifted off me. I thought that everyone in the world was against me. Thank you so incredibly much for showing me that I'm not alone here, that others have seen through the lies of the modern schooling system... As well as that I'm not the only one who thinks the word "education" should be redefined. I'm so used to explaining all of my views to people. Finally, I know there are people out there that I don't have to explain this one too.

-Kaitlyn

PS. Sorry for the whole life story thing. I was getting into it because I was so happy.

Beth Jordan

I do not agree with this theory at all. A heart and soul of a college education has nothing to do with money...spending or earning. The truest value in a college education is becoming a well-rounded and well-adjusted adult. It's a personal journey that you cannot put a price tag on. Real Estate and business development are great and profitable experiences too, but you have your whole life pursue those things. Take my advice and get an education. It's the best thing anyone can do for themselves.

Andrew

This is true of Business Majors, but for the people in sciences and those who want to themselves teach, college is a necessity.

Clayton

You have turned about four valid points into ten. All valid points can be thoroughly debated and contradicted. I would take my time to debate but I am anti-debate because it is merely a battle over who has more will to do more research as well as who has more knowledge over the subject; I also have to study for my college classes. A for effort!!!

Bob

Everything that was said there was exactly what I've been telling people. I went to college and have had nothing but debt that I can't afford to pay off now. Fortunately I did get a degree in a field I can turn into a business but didn't really get the idea to do that till just a couple years ago when I turned 34. Starting a business or finding a better way to invest that money that would go into a college education, granted that it's money you already have access to with out student loans, would definitely be a smarter thing to do and the term education, I believe, should be re-defined in peoples minds. It's not something you have to go to school to get. Being educated is nothing more than someone that has taken the time to gather knowledge in something. I say don't let people buffalo you into paying big money for an education that will barely get you out of debt in 10-20 years when you will probably end up un-employed in that time anyway and unable to get another job in that field again making what ever money you would be or should be making and forced to come up with and settle for something lesser anyway later on like a lot of the middle aged to elderly baggers and cashiers at the grocery stores I see here in Florida all the time. I haven't done the math yet but with as much as it costs today to get a degree worth anything, aside from becoming a doctor or a lawyer, I almost am willing to bet someone being better off just working a simple video store job or flippin burgers and saving money like mad and taking any spare time to educate them selves in some practical field like lawn care or some craft and opening a lawn care business with your truck or a craft shop out of your own house. Sell bead jewelry or something. Don't get caught up in the lie with college education. This list really should be more public. I wish there was a way to get this truth out to more people.

Benjamin

Great list! I work as a janitor at the University of Nebraska, and I once found out that student enrollment has increased so much that they have had to force incoming freshman to sleep in STUDENT LOUNGES. Why? Because former Motley Crue drummer Tommy Lee attended UNL for a REALITY SHOW. All the more reason to not attend college!

Sam

Hi John, thank you for writing such an enlightening article with wonderful references. I have been struggling with whether or not to return to school. I haven't yet put my all into pursuing my Pilates business and this has given me some hope and some things to consider.
Thanks,
Sam

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Pearl and Jeanne Lawrence 1962

John and Alice Clark

James and Pearl Lawrence 1941

George and Edith Leatham 1942

Sisters Florence Lawrence and Winnie Cole 1942

The Newest Arrival: Baby Huck!

Baby Isaiah

Vernon Station 1942

Vernon Station 2004

Quotations

  • Study without desire spoils the memory, and it retains nothing that it takes in. - Leonardo da Vinci
  • Advertising may be described as the science of arresting the human intelligence long enough to get money from it.
    --Stephen Leacock Canadian economist & humorist (1869 - 1944)
  • They can't put you in jail for what you're thinking.
    --Clifton E Lawrence
  • If we can't create a good impression, we can at least try to create a bland impression.
    -- Ben Weinbaum, my supervisor at General Dynamics
  • Men are generally idle, and ready to satisfy themselves, and intimidate the industry of others, by calling that impossible which is only difficult.
    -- Samuel Johnson

  • There's a vas deferens between us.
    --Paul Desmond to a girlfriend

  • Lawrence, how do you manage to go through so much shit and come out smelling like a rose?
    --a college classmate
  • Lawrence, you're better on paper than you are in person.
    --Guy Carlisle

  • Lawrencie, you're smart in school, but dumb in life.
    --Arthur Hill

  • In politics you must always keep running with the pack. The moment that you falter and they sense that you are injured, the rest will turn on you like wolves.
    --R. A. Butler

  • Don't put off till tomorrow what you can do today.
    --Florence C Lawrence

  • There's no time like the present.
    --Florence C Lawrence

  • One hand washes the other.
    --Clifton E Lawrence

  • You have to take the bitter with the better.
    --Clifton E Lawrence

  • An inventor is simply a fellow who doesn't take his education too seriously.
    --Charles F Kettering

  • A problem well stated is a problem half solved.
    --Charles F Kettering

  • Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
    --Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law) English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - )

  • The least of learning is done in the classrooms.
    --Thomas Merton

  • Tastes pretty good for an old dead cow.
    --Clifton E Lawrence at a family picnic

  • If the shoe fits, wear it.
    --anonymous

    If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.
    --John Lawrence

Books

  • Harold Lasswell: Power and Personality
  • Wilhelm Reich: Mass Psychology of Fascism

    Wilhelm Reich: Mass Psychology of Fascism

  • William Glasser: Positive Addiction

    William Glasser: Positive Addiction

  • Abraham Maslow: The Psychology of Being

    Abraham Maslow: The Psychology of Being

  • Herbert Marcuse: Eros and Civilization

    Herbert Marcuse: Eros and Civilization

  • Doug Ramsey: Take Five: The Public and Private Lives of Paul Desmond

    Doug Ramsey: Take Five: The Public and Private Lives of Paul Desmond
    This is a great book! Paul Desmond and Dave Brubeck formed the heart of one of the best all time jazz groups. Paul was the quintessential intellectual, white jazz musician. A talented writer, he never published anything. However author, Doug Ramsey has collected Paul's letters here. How ironic that now his writing in the form of letters to his father and ex-wife, among others, is finally published showing another window on the mind of this talented person. A sideman, for the most part, his entire life, the Dave Brubeck Quartet might never have happened at all due to the fact that Paul had managed to offend Dave to the point where he never wanted to see him again. It had to do with a gig that Paul actually was the leader of. Paul wanted to take the summer off to play another gig, and Dave wanted Paul to let him take over the gig at the Band Box in Palo Alto, CA. Paul wouldn't let him and Dave, married with two children, proceeded to starve. Due to an elaborate publicity campaign, when he realized the error of his ways, Paul managed to worm himself back into Dave's good graces. The rest is history. This book is remarkable for the insight it gives into a working jazz musician's mind, wonderful pictures and interviews with the significant figures in Paul's life. Author Ramsey, not a remarkable penman himself, has nevertheless done a magnificent job of assembling all these various materials. Unlike a lot of jazz authors, he doesn't overly idolize his subject with the result that you get the feeling that you have met a real person and not a idealized version. That's high praise indeed for any biographer. (*****)

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